Case Note – MG v Commissioner of Police [2024] QDC 72

MG v Commissioner of Police [2024] QDC 72

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Facts: The appellant, MG, appealed against the recording of convictions in the Magistrates Court at Brisbane, where he had pleaded guilty to contravening a domestic violence order and breaching a bail condition. On 22 November 2022, a temporary protection order prohibited MG from contacting the aggrieved, which he breached on 9 December 2022 by calling her and making suggestive comments. MG was subsequently arrested for contravening the order and breaching bail. In the Magistrates Court, MG was fined $500 with a conviction recorded for contravening the domestic violence order and was convicted but not further punished for the breach of bail.

Relevant Findings: The primary issue on appeal was whether the Magistrate erred in recording the conviction. The appellant argued that recording the conviction would adversely affect his economic well-being, particularly concerning his financial licence and business operations.

 

Legal Principles: Section 12 of the Penalties and Sentences Act 1992 (Qld) provides the framework for considering whether to record a conviction. The court must consider the nature of the offence, the offender’s character and age, and the impact that recording a conviction will have on the offender's economic or social well-being and employment prospects. The balancing exercise between the seriousness of the offence and the economic or social impact of the recording of a conviction was articulated in cases such as R v Briese​​ and R v Ali​​.

Court's Analysis:

  1. Nature of the Offence and Offender’s Character: The appellant had a history of previous convictions, indicating repeated offending despite previous opportunities to reform.
  2. Impact on Economic Well-being: The appellant claimed that recording the conviction would affect his financial licence and business but failed to provide specific evidence or substantiate the claim. The court noted that while the National Consumer Credit Protection Act 2009 (Cth) requires disclosure of convictions, there was no certainty that the appellant's licence would be impacted.
  3. Seriousness of the Offence: The offences were considered serious, particularly as they involved breaches of a court order and were connected to domestic violence, adding an aggravating element as per Section 9(10A) of the Penalties and Sentences Act 1992 (Qld).

Outcome: The appeal was dismissed. The court found that the Magistrate had appropriately exercised discretion in recording the conviction, given the seriousness of the offences and the appellant’s criminal history. The speculative nature of the appellant’s claims regarding the impact on his financial licence did not outweigh the need for public denunciation and accountability for breaching a domestic violence order​​.

Notes for Practice:

  • When arguing against the recording of a conviction, it is critical to present specific and substantial evidence regarding the potential negative impact on the offender’s economic or social well-being.
  • Domestic violence offences, especially those breaching court orders, are treated with significant seriousness, and the court is likely to record a conviction to reflect the gravity of such offences.
  • Legal practitioners should ensure that any claims about the adverse impact of a conviction are well-supported with evidence, particularly when related to professional or business licenses.

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Case Note Palmer v Queensland Police Service [2024] QDC 67

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Case Notes - Palmer v Queensland Police Service [2024] QDC 67

Evade police & Circumstantial Evidence

 Palmer v Queensland Police Service [2024] QDC 67

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Facts:

The Appellant appealed against convictions and sentence relating to charges of evading police, driving without a licence while disqualified, and possessing dangerous drugs. The original hearing took place in the Magistrates Court at Caboolture, where Mr. Palmer was fined $7,150 and had convictions recorded on all counts. He was found asleep near a vehicle that had evaded police earlier, with personal items linking him to the vehicle. Drugs were found on his person during a police search​​.

Finding:

Appeal against Conviction: The District Court dismissed the appeal against conviction, concluding the circumstantial evidence presented, including descriptions and found items, supported the original findings.

Appeal against Sentence: The appeal against the sentence was allowed. The original fine was set aside due to the significant pre-sentence custody of 260 days, which was deemed excessive. Instead, the appellant was sentenced to 50 days imprisonment for the evading police charge, with the time considered already served. Additionally, he was placed under a six-month supervised release program for the other charges, focusing on rehabilitation and treatment for his mental health issues​​.

Notes for practice:

Here the court dealt extensively with circumstantial evidence to affirm the convictions of Stuart William Palmer for evading police, driving while disqualified, and possession of dangerous drugs. Here’s a detailed breakdown of how the circumstantial evidence was evaluated and utilized by the court:

  1. Nature of Circumstantial Evidence: Circumstantial evidence involves drawing inferences from facts when direct evidence is not available. In this case, the link between Palmer and the criminal activities was primarily established through various indirect pieces of evidence rather than direct witness testimony or explicit acknowledgment of guilt from Palmer.
  2. Specific Instances of Circumstantial Evidence:

Vehicle Identification and Association: The vehicle involved in evading police was identified as a silver Commodore, seen being driven by someone matching the appellant’s description. Although the direct identification of the appellant as the driver at the moment of evading police was not possible, his association with the vehicle was established through his presence near it under suspicious circumstances and personal items found within it, such as a mobile phone and a prison release document in his name.

Physical Description and Location: Police testimony described the driver of the evading vehicle as having physical attributes similar to the appellant’s (e.g., height, hair). Furthermore, the appellant’s was found asleep not far from where the vehicle was eventually abandoned. This proximity in both time and location strengthened the inference that he was involved.

Apparel Matching: The clothing the appellant’s wore when found was identical to that observed by the police on the person who fled — specifically, a red shirt and black pants, further solidifying the connection between him and the events in question.

  1. Linking Evidence to Charges: Evading Police: The critical point for this charge was establishing that the appellant’s was driving the vehicle at the time it failed to stop for the police. The circumstantial evidence here was his proximity to the abandoned vehicle, the clothing match, and the personal items found in the car.

Driving While Disqualified: Records confirmed that the appellant’s was disqualified from driving at the time of the offence. The circumstantial evidence placing him in control of the vehicle thus directly contributed to this charge.

Possession of Dangerous Drugs: When the appellant’s was searched, drugs were found on him. While this could be seen as direct evidence, the circumstantial aspect involves linking him to the ongoing use and possession through his location and activities around the time of arrest.

  1. Court's Evaluation: The court reviewed each piece of circumstantial evidence, evaluating its credibility and the logical inferences that could be drawn from it. The coherence of the evidence as a whole was deemed strong enough to conclude beyond a reasonable doubt that Palmer was guilty of the charges against him.

The court specifically noted that the combination of evidence related to the vehicle's evasion from police and the appellant’s subsequent behaviours and the items found with him formed a compelling narrative pointing to his guilt.

  1. Conclusion of the Circumstantial Case: The judge concluded that the only rational inference from the combined circumstantial evidence was the appellant’s guilt. It was emphasised that while each individual piece of evidence might not conclusively prove guilt, the totality of all evidence excluded any reasonable hypothesis of his innocence.

This detailed handling of circumstantial evidence demonstrates the court’s careful consideration of indirect evidence in building a strong, coherent case when direct evidence may be lacking or insufficient.

  • Circumstantial Evidence: Robust circumstantial evidence can support a conviction if it logically points to the guilt and excludes other reasonable hypotheses.
  • Rehabilitation Focus: The court prioritized rehabilitation over additional custodial punishment, especially considering the appellant's mental health challenges and previous substance abuse.
  • Management of Pre-sentence Custody: The significant time spent in pre-sentence custody was a critical factor in adjusting the sentence, underscoring the importance of considering all aspects of time served when finalising sentencing decisions.

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Case Note – R v SDL [2021] QCA 14

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Facts: In a small rural town, the defendant was found guilty of one count of maintaining a sexual relationship after a three-day trial. The appellant recognised the names of 11 people in the jury pool, the judge declined to excuse those people leaving it to the Prosecution to challenge the jurors, of the 11, 10 were challenged with the 11th being empanelled as “Juror 4”.

A pre-recording of the evidence was played to the jury. After a break it was raised with the judge the appellant recognised Juror 4 as “as the brother of an associate of the appellant.” The contact was limited to a “”G’day” 7 years prior. The juror was taken into court in the absence of the remaining jurors, when asked about possible contact with the appellant, Juror 4 could not recall meeting the appellant.

The judge only discharged the single juror for potential perceived bias and proceeded with 11 jurors. Both defence and prosecution sought a discharge of the full jury. Relying on the test in Wu v The Queen (1999) 199 CLR 99, the judge noted the delay in the matter reaching trial and costs attached to starting with a new jury.

(There was a further ground of admissibility of preliminary complaint evidence that was unsuccessful not addressed in this case note).

Finding: For apprehended bias to exist, there needs to be a basis. There were no grounds for the judge to discharge juror number 4 pursuant to s 56(1)(a) of the Jury Act 1995.There was a miscarriage of justice in denial to the appellant of the right to be tried by a jury of 12 persons.

When looking at the thin connection between the appellant and Juror 4, Justice Mullins applied the test of “apprehended bias” in Ebner v Official Trustee in Bankruptcy (2000) 205 CLR 337 at [6]

“is expressed in terms that a decision-maker “is disqualified if a fair-minded lay observer might reasonably apprehend that the [decision-maker] might not bring an impartial mind to the resolution of the question” and “that there has to be identification of the connection that might lead the juror to decide the case other than on its legal and factual merits and an articulation of the logical connection between that matter and the  apprehended deviation from the course of deciding the case on its merits”

Notes for practice:

  • In the event a juror is discharged, take further instructions on if to proceed or press for a new trial.
  • The statement and application of the law of “apprehended bias”

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Case Note QLD – R v ZB [2021] QCA 9

 R v ZB [2021] QCA 9

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Facts: An appeal by the defendant for the recording of a conviction for possessing child exploitation materials, 98 images some of which at the higher end of the scale.

At first instance the defendant was sentenced to probation for two years with a conviction being recorded. The recording of a conviction resulted in the defendant being required to report under the Child Protection (Offender Reporting and Offender Prohibition Order) Act for 5 years.

The appellant had provided assistance to police, made full admissions, was a relativity young man, was in a stable relationship, had the support of family, references were tendered on his behalf and he was seeking treatment for anxiety. Against these factors, when weighing the ‘nature of the offence’ it was suggested by McMurdo the sentencing judge was “so influenced by the abhorrent nature of images… it outweighed all the other considerations” a conviction was recorded.

Finding: For separate reasons, Sofronoff P, McMurdo JA and Jakson J allowed the appeal, affirmed the 2 years probation without a conviction being recorded.

Sofronoff P examined the factors weighing for and against the recording of convictions generally. Is the community better served by being made aware of the conduct of the defendant, giving vindication to the community for its trust in order according to law or does the sentencing judge see the greater benefit to the community by not placing obstacles in the way of rehabilitating an offender? Not recording a conviction is not a case of “tenderness to the offender”. Where probation is being imposed, there must be more to justify the recording of a conviction.

McMurdo JA looked to the additional implications of being a reportable offender and the reasoning of the sentencing judge drawing analogies to R v Bunton [2019] QCA 214 (conviction not recorded on appeal). McMurdo found the sentencing judge had placed too much weight on the “nature and seriousness” of the offence (without trivialising the offending) against the other factors.

Jackson J assessed the views of the President and MuMurdo JA, adding that like in Bunton (but absent from this case) medical evidence suggesting a defendant proposed no real risk to children should be offered before an order for no conviction should be made.

Notes for practice:

  • Explanation of recording a conviction and the balancing of factors for the community one way or the other;
  • Comments to support that where probation is being imposed, there should be additional factors as to why a conviction is being recorded.

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Case Note – Totality principle and excessive head sentence

OWL v Queensland Police Service [2021] QDC 5

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Facts:

An appeal on the basis the sentence was manifestly excessive due to the imposition of the cumulative sentence. It was submitted:          

the learned acting Magistrate allowed the defendant’s criminal history to overwhelm the sentencing discretion, and allowed the circumstances surrounding the offending to overwhelm the sentencing discretion.” (Veen v R (1979) 143 CLR 458 and Veen v R (No 2) (1988) 164 CLR 465.)

Eight days after being sentenced to 11 months imprisonment the defendant committed further breaches of a domestic violence order with aggravated features of extended duration and violence against the aggrieved. The defendant was 45 years old and had been sentenced to periods of imprisonment 13 times, with 13 convictions for breaching domestic violence orders in the last 5 years.

The Magistrate at first instance imposed a head sentence of 18 months to run cumulatively with the 11-month sentence for an effective total sentence of 29 months.

Finding:

The court examined the transcript and noted deficiencies by both the Prosecution and Defence in the sentence. The court reviewed cases and concluded a head sentence of 2 years was appropriate, but the defendant had exposed himself to a head sentence of 2 ½ years.

“s 9(2)(j) and (l) Penalties and Sentences Act 1992 (Qld) serves to observe the totality principle, derived from cases such as Mill v The Queen (1988) 166 CLR 59 and Postiglione v The Queen (1997) 189 CLR 295.  The purpose of the principle is primarily to ensure the penalty imposed does not result in a crushing or disproportionate sentence.”

Noting the existing 11 month sentence the court stated there were two ways to structure the sentence without offending the totality principle.

  1. Impose a 2-year sentence to run concurrently with the existing sentence (total of 24 months); or
  2. Substantially reduce the sentence to 12 months but have it run cumulatively (total of 23 months).

Notes for practice:

  • A clear re-statement of the common law totality principle, and the totality principle in the Penalties and Sentences Act.
  • Where totality is a factor, consider the various sentencing structures to assist the court with the appropriate head sentence by the concurrent or cumulative sentencing.

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Case Note – Peaceful Protesting and the use of a Dragons Den attachment device

Casenote – Protesters Succeed on Appeal against Manifestly Excessive Sentence for using a ‘Dangerous Attachment Device’ to Interfere with Transport Infrastructure

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EH v QPS; GS v QPS [2020] QDC 205

Facts: Two defendants in their early 20s were charged with obstructing, trespassing on, and using a dangerous attachment device to interfere with a railway structure in early January of this year. The defendants were protesting climate action in response to the national bushfires of 2020. As a result of police attending the scene, the two were also subsequently charged with contravening a police direction or requirement.

The defendants attached a ‘dragon’s den’ device to the railway infrastructure, a device captured by the s 14B definition of the Summary Offences Act (‘SOA’).

The defendants plead guilty on the first occasion, and the Acting Magistrate sentenced them both to 3 months imprisonment on a suspended sentence.

The appeal was the first of its kind against the head sentence, a new law introduced in 2019 for connecting a dangerous attachment device to transport infrastructure, contained in section 14C(1) SOA.

The appeal claimed that the sentence imposed was manifestly excessive.

Finding: The Judge, Fantin DCJ, allowed the appeal and re-sentenced the defendants to a single fine of $1,000 each with no conviction recorded.

Her Honour highlighted that the device only caused a potential risk of harm to the protesters themselves instead of emergency services or the wider public; and combining this with a lack of excessive loss/damage/inconvenience suffered by others meant the offending was on the lower end of the scale. These considerations assisted Fantin DCJ’s assessment of the objective seriousness of the offending, the culpability of the defendants and were remarked to be within the Acting Magistrate’s sentencing discretion. The Judge contended that whilst the democratic right to protest is not unfettered, the overall motive as being political and without malice or benefit to the defendants also should have been considered.

The Judge concluded that the Acting Magistrate miscarried the sentencing discretion and made several errors in the decision. As such, and with reference to the antecedents of the defendants, the sentence initially imposed was held to be manifestly excessive.

In support of this decision, Her Honour referred to the Explanatory Notes, illustrated examples of clemency shown in previous cases of civil disobedience, drew analogies between Nolin v Commissioner of Police [2019] QDC 171 and distinguished against facts in Avery & Ors v Queensland Police Service [2019] QDC 2.

Notes for practice:

  • Relevance of motive on sentencing as a mitigating, aggravating or neutral factor.

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Case Note – Limited mitigation after a trial – 400 grams of cocaine = 9 years to do 5 1/2 years

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R v Roberts [2020] QCA 129

Facts: The applicant was apprehended with a large amount of cocaine returning from Buenos Aires.  After a trial, the applicant was convicted of importing a marketable quantity of cocaine, 400g with the street value of over half a million dollars. The applicant gave a version that she was to bring the substance back for approximately $10,000 and an upgrade from her economy flight. Her fingerprints were located on the packaging and materials such as fingerprints on the sticky side of the tape in which the bags were wrapped.

She was sentenced to 9 years imprisonment with a non-parole period of five years and six months. The appeal was on the grounds of it being manifestly excessive, and the sentencing judge erred in sentencing the applicant on the basis that she was more than a courier and on the basis she proceeded to trial in the face of a strong Crown case.

The applicant was 55 at the time of the offending and 57 at sentencing, letter of reference was tendered at the sentence. The court noted, “Because the applicant denied guilt and offered no explanations for her actions, after she was found guilty her counsel was handicapped in his ability to make submissions in mitigation”. Other than a minimal and the relevant criminal history, counsel had been left with little to mitigate the sentence with.

The judge was correct in not finding the applicant was “more than a courier” but also not prepared to find the applicant was a “mere courier”.

Finding: Appeal dismissed. The sentence was within sound sentencing discretion. It was at the higher end, but not beyond the bounds of a proper exercise of discretion.

Notes for practice:

  • The Court reviewed comparable cases.
  • After a trial, personal deterrence is a live factor. “Contrition is some evidence of insight and this insight into wrongfulness of a crime implies a reduced likelihood of offending.”

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Case Note – Unaddressed considerations at sentencing

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R v JAB [2020] QCA 124

Facts: Youth offender was sentenced on a plea of guilty for attempted robbery and unlawful use. The youth had a relevant criminal history and poor breaches of other orders. For the attempted robbery he received a period of detention with a conditional release order and 2 years’ probation for the unlawful use. The prosecutor noted a conviction will have an impact on obtaining employment. Defence accepted the conditional release and other orders but did not make submissions on recording a conviction. The sentencing court recorded a conviction on the attempted robbery.

The appeal was on the basis the sentencing court did not engage with counsel about recording a conviction, a conviction was manifestly excessive.

A principle of natural justice is a person is entitled to adequate notice and opportunity to be heard before an order is made against a person was stated in Re Hamilton; Re Forrest [1981] AC 1038 at 1045, Queensland Courts have adopted this as it applied to; license disqualification, later than statutory parole release dates, serious violent offender declarations and recording of a conviction where reasons are not given and submissions are not invited before recording a conviction.

However, a sentencing court is not required to set out each alternative sentence to a defendant, counsel is expected to know the relevant law and make relevant submissions. “Unless the judge is considering imposing a sentence which may be considered unusual or an additional penalty which is unusual, there is no obligation upon a sentencing judge to advise counsel of the sentence that may be imposed and to seek specific submissions on that.” Per Atkinson J in R v Robertson R v Kitson [2008] QCA 86.

Finding: Appeal on sentence successful, convictions not recorded. The considerations in the Youth Justice Act and the concession by the Prosecutor resulted in the sentencing Jude having to raise the prospect of recording a conviction.

Notes for practice:

  • Consider what has not been said and addressed, do you need to add anything before saying “no further submissions”?
  • By advancing the submission you might be saving the client a costly appeal process by at least engaging the court in the submission at first instance.

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Case Note – 9+ years for trafficking over a short period of time.

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R v Fischer [2020] QCA 66

Appeal of sentence for high level trafficking over a short period of time, where 23 months as time served leading up to sentence was not declarable due to existing orders.

Facts: Trafficking over a period of about 9 months involving kilogram and half-kilogram amounts of methylamphetamine, at times MDMA in large volume (5,000 tablets). The appellant had a client base of about 60 customers selling firearms when business was slow.

The appellant was on other orders at the time of offending, time in pre-sentence custody was not declarable. The appellant was sentenced to 9 years and 8 months for the trafficking offence with a serious drug offence declaration being made resulting in parole eligibility after 10 years.

Finding:  Sentence was well within range; personal deterrence was a live factor as offending occurred whilst on supervised orders.

Notes for practice:

  • Examine the gravity of the trafficking and the duration.  
  • Sentencing case for high volume trafficking over a short period of time.

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